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Who Can We Trust? Weekend Chat 30 June 2024
Today we talk about the concept of trust in a world of constant and overwhelming information. We all want a “Cronkite”, but maybe there can longer be a source of trusted information, and maybe there never was. “What is truth?”
Enjoying Warhorse Bar in a Savinelli 315 KS Twin Bore pipe.
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Solving the Crossword of Life. Weekend Chat 23 June 2024
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I had a thought on existentialism (my least favorite area of philosophy) and it was a bit puzzling ;-) Visit CaneRod Pipes at www.canerodpipes.com and follow us on social media for shop updates and other news: Instagram: canerodpiper Facebook: canerodpipes
Impressions of Warhorse Bar. Weekend Chat 16 June 2024
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My Impressions of Warhorse Bar from The Standard Tobacco Company. I also give a garden update and talk about old man stuff like back pain and being tired. Visit CaneRod Pipes at www.canerodpipes.com and follow us on social media for shop updates and other news: Instagram: canerodpiper Facebook: canerodpipes
Sealing Tins for Cellaring: Lessons Learned. Weekend Chat 09 June 2024
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Links below. I made a video several years ago detailing my use of Parafilm to seal tobacco tins. While that method has worked well for a long time, something in the Parafilm seems to have changed and it is now prone to splitting. My friend Cori provided a new suggestion that I think is going to work well. Original Parafilm video: ua-cam.com/video/zv4gzaj69_U/v-deo.html Renfrew Hockey Tape : www...
The World's Oldest Pipe Lighter? Weekend Chat 02 June 2024
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Links below. Talking about my discovery of the ancient Chinese method of transporting fire called huo zhe zi. These fire sticks, or flame sticks, were used as fire starters, candle lighters, and torches. Video on the making of a huo zhe zi: ua-cam.com/video/h0oC5bSQTcU/v-deo.html Judge Dee’s Mystery: www.netflix.com/title/81761553 Visit CaneRod Pipes at www.canerodpipes.com and follow us on soc...
Poppies for Memorial Day. Weekend Chat 26 May 2024
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I misspoke here. I meant to say 160,000 US casualties in WWI, not 16 million. Talking about the symbolism of the poppy flower and the meaning of Memorial day. Never forget their sacrifice, and never put down the torch which has been passed. Visit CaneRod Pipes at www.canerodpipes.com and follow us on social media for shop updates and other news: Instagram: canerodpiper Facebook: canerodpipes
Tobacco of The Month: Revisiting L.J. Peretti's Cuban Mixture. Weekend Chat 19 May 2024
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The tobacco of the month (chosen by you the viewers of the Friday night live stream) is L.J. Peretti’s Cuban Mixture. I first gave you my impressions of this blend back in 2008 in this video: ua-cam.com/video/JwO4eDaXt7w/v-deo.htmlsi=nuKtoFpdyVgpm8fs Visit CaneRod Pipes at www.canerodpipes.com and follow us on social media for shop updates and other news: Instagram: canerodpiper Facebook: fb.me...
Entropy Always Wins. Weekend Chat 12 May 2024
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Entropy Always Wins. Weekend Chat 12 May 2024
Things Might Be A Bit Different For A While. Weekend Chat 21 April 2024
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Things Might Be A Bit Different For A While. Weekend Chat 21 April 2024
New Pipes and First Smoke of CaneRodPipes #3 Weekend Chat 14 April 2024
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New Pipes and First Smoke of CaneRodPipes #3 Weekend Chat 14 April 2024
There is Something About Those Films. Weekend Chat 07 April 2024
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There is Something About Those Films. Weekend Chat 07 April 2024
Impressions of Smoker's Haven Our Best Blend and Pipe #3 Completed. Weekend Chat 24 March 2024
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Impressions of Smoker's Haven Our Best Blend and Pipe #3 Completed. Weekend Chat 24 March 2024
Happy St. Patrick's Day! And (Mis) Adventures in Pipe Making. Weekend Chat 17 March 2024
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Happy St. Patrick's Day! And (Mis) Adventures in Pipe Making. Weekend Chat 17 March 2024
Time is an illusion. Weekend Chat 10 March 2024
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Time is an illusion. Weekend Chat 10 March 2024
Three Nuns, and Washington's Birthday. Weekend Chat 18 February 2024
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Three Nuns, and Washington's Birthday. Weekend Chat 18 February 2024
Home Blending and Thoughts on Churchwardens. Weekend Chat 11 February 2024
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Home Blending and Thoughts on Churchwardens. Weekend Chat 11 February 2024
The Cricket From Hell and Impressions of Peter Heinrich's Reserve Crue No.2. Weekend Chat 04Feb2024
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The Cricket From Hell and Impressions of Peter Heinrich's Reserve Crue No.2. Weekend Chat 04Feb2024
World gone to Hell, Pipe Carver Needs Help, I Saw Some Tools. Weekend Chat 28 January 2024
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World gone to Hell, Pipe Carver Needs Help, I Saw Some Tools. Weekend Chat 28 January 2024
Impressions of Bosun Cut Plug. Weekend Chat 21 January 2024
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Impressions of Bosun Cut Plug. Weekend Chat 21 January 2024
Impressions of Condor Long Cut. Weekend Chat 14 January 2024
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Impressions of Condor Long Cut. Weekend Chat 14 January 2024
Impressions of my best of 2023 blend. Weekend Chat 07 January 2024
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Impressions of my best of 2023 blend. Weekend Chat 07 January 2024
Happy New Year...I l Lost a Year! Weekend Chat 31 December 2023
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Happy New Year...I l Lost a Year! Weekend Chat 31 December 2023
Merry Christmas. Weekend Chat 24 December 2023
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Merry Christmas. Weekend Chat 24 December 2023
Know Yourself. Weekend Chat 17 December 2023
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Know Yourself. Weekend Chat 17 December 2023
There's and AI in my Soup! Weekend Chat 10 December 2023
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There's and AI in my Soup! Weekend Chat 10 December 2023
My New Christmas Tobacco. Weekend Chat 03 December 2023
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My New Christmas Tobacco. Weekend Chat 03 December 2023
Tales from the Lathe. Weekend Chat 26 November 2023
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Tales from the Lathe. Weekend Chat 26 November 2023
Thanksgiving Wishes. Weekend Chat 19 November 2023
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Thanksgiving Wishes. Weekend Chat 19 November 2023
An Exercise in Extemporaneous Speech Weekend Chat 05 Nov 2023
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An Exercise in Extemporaneous Speech Weekend Chat 05 Nov 2023
Memories of Early Halloween Costumes Weekend Chat 29 Oct 2023
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Memories of Early Halloween Costumes Weekend Chat 29 Oct 2023

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  • @tylerjcranford
    @tylerjcranford 14 годин тому

    300th like! :)

  • @brianquilty687
    @brianquilty687 2 дні тому

    So sorry to hear of your brother. I will continue to pray for him and your family.

  • @rubinsteinway
    @rubinsteinway 2 дні тому

    Enjoyed watching your recommended film Reincarnation of Peter Proud. Saw it on YT with the wife last night. Interesting topic, good suspense. Thanks!

  • @backcountrypipe
    @backcountrypipe 3 дні тому

    Hello Mike. Thoughts and prayers to your brother and family. Matches always had a good perspective on life, I certainly miss our conversations. I enjoyed listening to this video while working this morning. Thoughts are with. Regards Mark

  • @SmokesaPipe
    @SmokesaPipe 3 дні тому

    Praying for Scott and your family, Mike. Praying for the community as well. Thank you for the great conversation.

  • @Eijor_Pip
    @Eijor_Pip 3 дні тому

    Everyone seems to have their own agenda with beliefs and views, meaning they want everyone else to have the same. X Files said it best…. Trust no one. I try not to be that way but it’s hard.

  • @darconproctor3225
    @darconproctor3225 3 дні тому

    For those who have ears to hear…Giving thanks my friend. Well needed wisdom. Prayers of healing, and prosperity for u and yours

  • @ronnieewing
    @ronnieewing 3 дні тому

    Ha ha thats great! I hear the erie voice saying, “Rossseeebuddd!” From a Citizen Kane commercial, ha ha !

  • @stevekoutros9358
    @stevekoutros9358 3 дні тому

    Wow, I saw The Reincarnation of Peter Proud when it came out. Margot Kidder, hubba hubba. 100% agree, "ride the wave." When I grew up, we went from almost 100% trust including Mr. Cronkite, to 90-95% trust to having to triangulate, the facts to determine what "Pravda" really is or "that's the way it was." It's virtually impossible to eliminate bias. Trust, but verify. I've never smoked a twin bore. Does sound fiddly for cleaning. Strength to you and your family with your brother.

  • @swaggy1926
    @swaggy1926 3 дні тому

    Sorry to hear about your brother. I’ll be praying for you all

  • @yusufsayed1583
    @yusufsayed1583 4 дні тому

    Good Morning 😊 Beautiful Pipe 😍 Prayers For Your Family and Comfort and Ease For Your Brother 🙏🏽 A Lot of Things Has Changed , all we can do is advice and help the younger generation on The Right Path 👏🏼 Have a Wonderful Day & God Bless You 🙏🏽 Greetings From South Africa 🇿🇦

  • @GhostCob
    @GhostCob 4 дні тому

    Mike, Your right . Definitely alot has changed.. blessings from Gettysburg Pa….

  • @st.davidpipes
    @st.davidpipes 4 дні тому

    Great video.

  • @artiesplace8608
    @artiesplace8608 4 дні тому

    Prays and best wishes for you and your family and your brother

  • @michaeldebleser3253
    @michaeldebleser3253 4 дні тому

    I’m not really a prayer, but I will tonight. Wish you and your family all the strength and love. Thanks for your video Greetings from Belgium

  • @jameslong4929
    @jameslong4929 4 дні тому

    Well I tend to base statements of truth on my own experience. If I havent experienced it I dont disregard what is said as false. Ill think about it and what I know to be true and see if I think it's possible. Maybe try and experience it for myself if thats possible. Its a pretty reliable process for vetting a statement. Now if I cant experience it directly like something historical usually I put myself as close to it as possible and use my knowledge of human nature to determine what I might have done here compared to what is reported. Yes that is less accurate, but theres always bias even if one is a witness. What is happening today is you see the sky is blue yet the news reports its now green and people say well yeah its green. They say it is, so I guess it is and I must be wrong. Thats literally how bad it is. Somewhere along the line people have become reliant on somebody else to tell them what is real. Rather than relying on their own experience. Its a strange phenomenon really. My father in law just recently passed because of undiagnosed diabetes. Thats right diabetes. Many doctors and er visits and he literally wasted away and succumbed to heart failure and kidney failure from undiagnosed diabetes. Dont trust doctors. This is only one example I could give to support that fact. Take care Mike.

  • @jefflowry4896
    @jefflowry4896 4 дні тому

    Hey Mike and all! Wow, prayers continue for Scott, you your sister, you and your family and the medical team at Dartmouth.. I do remember the Reincarnation of Peter Proud ads. I also remember ads for another movie of that era, Stanley. Stanley was ateen who had been mercilessly bullied. He sought his revenge. I have an eye disorder , Nystagmus, so itbhelped if I satbclose to the tv. Well Stanley's revengebwas to find the bullies drive up in his GTO and throw a rattlesnake at the bullies. I am not a fan of snakes. Very good talk. Cronkite would report the news. There wss no "spin". As a teen I remember Cronkite in a print ad for Sail Yellow Mixture. Hope the news is better in New Hsmpshire. May every ody haveba good 4th! Happy Puffing !!@

  • @glockensig
    @glockensig 4 дні тому

    Buddy, you can trust me all the time.....and Tangella most of the time!!!

  • @TamperJim
    @TamperJim 4 дні тому

    Trust and honesty are precious. Unfortunately what were once looked upon as sources of important information have devolved into sources of distraction and agendas. Were the American people worse off because they weren't informed about FDR's inability to stand and walk normally? On the other hand, were the American people better off because they were informed whether Bill Clinton wore boxers or briefs? You get my point. Prayers and best wishes for your brother, your family - and for you my friend. - Jim

  • @thesmoovepiper4356
    @thesmoovepiper4356 4 дні тому

    Happy Sunday Mike awesome video my heart goes out to you and Scott and your sister I'm praying for Scott and for you and your sister TIMES like this test our Faith hang in there Mike God is with you and your family trust God's will will be Done have a great week 😃🙏❤

  • @MrCouchIncident
    @MrCouchIncident 4 дні тому

    Michael Malice is our Walter Cronkite. He's a national treasure!

  • @terrysnarfblatpiper7588
    @terrysnarfblatpiper7588 4 дні тому

    Totally agree on ‘who can we trust?’ on determining what is true or not true. Lately I’ve been dreading going to supermarket and getting shocked by the grocery bill. Don’t need anyone to tell me that the price of everything is going up up and up.

  • @whiteashpiperwhiteashpiper5447

    Bill O'Reilly... 😊

  • @user-mb1hg4qu9f
    @user-mb1hg4qu9f 4 дні тому

    👍🏻👍🏻 🙏🙏 for your brother. Dartmouth/Hitchcock Med is a good institution, I've worked there.

  • @GarethHampton
    @GarethHampton 4 дні тому

    These days it seems hard to know what is/are facts, true information, "reality data". Lots of prayers!

  • @ponderanceofagravedigger2564

    Prayers, love, and light sent for your brother. Hang in there my friend. Prayers sent for you and your family as well.

  • @pauljohnson165
    @pauljohnson165 4 дні тому

    Mike you are incredible at articulating your thoughts. I admittedly listen to your videos during work in my truck all day . Old videos and new. Even ones I’ve already heard . No , I’m not a psycho stalker. You and I couldn’t be more different and yet have such similarities. I’m no scientist , I’m an HVAC contractor. I’ve made a few videos over the years and they are nothing compared to yours. There is something soothing about your voice and attitude. You’ve even been a help at inspiring to go back the Catholic Church after about a 30 year absence. My heart aches for you and your brother and I hope and pray for a positive outcome . I just wanted you to know the the work and effort you put out has great meaning to me. Take Care Buddy and rest easy today . ❤

    • @CaneRodPiper
      @CaneRodPiper 4 дні тому

      Paul, that has to be one of the best comments I have ever read. I am so glad that my videos are meaningful to you, and if the Lord has used me to help you return to the Church, that is all His work. I'm just a tool in his hands. Praise God!

  • @PhillipRivara
    @PhillipRivara 4 дні тому

    Love ya Mike and that's the way it was.

  • @codgerjim
    @codgerjim 4 дні тому

    We were all more naive back then (and life was better). There are no journalists any more. As Don LaFontaine said "In a world...." In a world today there are no heroes anymore. Being older than dirt I now realize there is only one I can trust....and he was crucified on the cross. Prayers for you, your brother, and your family Mike.

  • @geoffryfeinberg1349
    @geoffryfeinberg1349 4 дні тому

    God bless you and your brother and the rest of your family, Mike. Take care of yourself during this difficult time. By the way, I really like that pipe.

  • @clyde9803
    @clyde9803 4 дні тому

    Cronkite overnight flipped on Vietnam right when we were close to finishing it. That turned public sentiment against it, which Congress used as the excuse to defund it, and South Vietnam was abandoned. Shameful. All those lives sacrificed ultimately for nothing and it wouldn't have happened without Cronkite.

    • @CaneRodPiper
      @CaneRodPiper 4 дні тому

      Excellent point Clyde! The use of the media as a political weapon is not a new thing.

  • @olddirtypiper6764
    @olddirtypiper6764 4 дні тому

    The Symth Mundt act prevents truth and only propagates lies and propaganda, and thank Obama and Biden for that executive order reinstating it. Facts with truth.

    • @CaneRodPiper
      @CaneRodPiper 4 дні тому

      Yes, but thankfully information is more freely disseminated now and can't be so easily controlled. However I fear that the majority of folks just want to be told what to think rather than think for themselves.

  • @lunchmoneyphilipphilip3034
    @lunchmoneyphilipphilip3034 4 дні тому

    I would like to trust but people let me down with the very basic things in life.

  • @ParsimoniousPiper
    @ParsimoniousPiper 5 днів тому

    A rather thought provoking ramble, Mike.

  • @yusufsayed1583
    @yusufsayed1583 6 днів тому

    Good Morning 😊 Awesome Live Last night👌🏽 Beautiful Cigar 😋 Prayers For Your Brother and Family During These Times 🙏🏽 May The Lord Grant Him Ease and Comfort 🙏🏽 Appropriate Your Time and Sharing 🤗 Have a Blessed Day 🙏🏽 God Bless You and Your Family 🙏🏽 Greetings From South Africa 🇿🇦

  • @Squire_Piper
    @Squire_Piper 6 днів тому

    Nice chat Mike. I enjoyed a haunted bookshop bowl with the video ❤

  • @barn_ninny
    @barn_ninny 6 днів тому

    Sorry to hear the bad news about your brother. I've been keeping a good thought for him and will continue to. Maybe the 2nd opinion will put things in a better light. As somebody who's on the autism spectrum, I wish I could offer something helpful about talking to him without scaring him. Unfortunately, I'm sure you've heard the saying that if you know one autistic person, you know one autistic person. Hope you get good news from Dartmouth.

  • @Teddybear.44
    @Teddybear.44 7 днів тому

    Excellent demonstration of how to make the perfect pipe mortar 👌

  • @richardk8313
    @richardk8313 8 днів тому

    Well I tried Pipe Mortar on several pipes now cobs and briars following the recipe in the video and I found the results disappointing at best…not only is it a bit messy and more time consuming to apply compared to muddying with cigar ash but it simply does not hold up as well…after allowing several days for the pipe mortar to dry in the pipe bowl my smoked pipes returned it to its wetted stage and when it had time again to dry out produced a powdery dust-like residue that had to be shaken out of the bowl before smoking again. All things being equal I am of the opinion that muddying with cigar ash remains a better and simpler way to go. Not perfect but superior to pipe mortar as addressed in this video.

    • @CaneRodPiper
      @CaneRodPiper 7 днів тому

      Hi Richard, I am sorry to learn that it did not work for you. I've never had it go soft or wet after it has set, and I know a lot of people use the same recipe without problems. I wonder if it might be an issue with your ingredients. If you want to send me the details (canerodpiper at Gmail), I would like to try and troubleshoot this problem and have an answer in case it comes up again. Thank you for the honest feedback!

    • @richardk8313
      @richardk8313 4 дні тому

      @@CaneRodPiper moisture from the burned tobacco will re-moisten the hardened mortar and when it (the mortar) dries again between smoking sessions will leave a small amount of powdery residue in the bowl. Shake the bowl and you will see it fall out. The entire process is more time consuming and messier than cigar ash muddying and I am finding powdery black mortar all over the place. I did follow your recipe. Pipe muddying using wetted cigar ash is not perfect but will in the case of cobs slow down burn-thru and takes very little time. As for briars, I’d have to have a very needy bowl to resort to using pipe mortar. Sorry I am just not sold on the use of pipe mortar as a replacement for muddying at least in the case of cobs. Having said, I am glad that it is working for you and others may want to give it a try on a pipe or two. Thank you. One man’s opinion only. Others mileage may differ.

    • @CaneRodPiper
      @CaneRodPiper 4 дні тому

      Thanks Richard!

  • @sailor3900
    @sailor3900 10 днів тому

    Mike, obviously you have way too much free time on your hands bro :)

  • @mushroomleg
    @mushroomleg 11 днів тому

    Great video, Mike. Excellent storytelling. I can’t believe in God but can believe that life is what YOU make of it.

  • @brianquilty687
    @brianquilty687 11 днів тому

    This is a very complicated issue. It's hard to understand why people pursue the interests and goals they do. On the bright side ..... the people who went down this path in medicine has brought us great advances in the treatment of cancer and other diseases. The knowledge of how the universe was formed is another good example. When it comes to thinking about our life after death ...... I try not to think about it because I don't know what is going to happen and I'm slightly scared of what some of the possibilities will be.

  • @michaelcase8574
    @michaelcase8574 11 днів тому

    J.P. and Simon...what a pair to draw to! Nausea,indeed! I just connected ., for the first time with the new rendition of Creature Features. I think I'm in love...Tangella can haunt my mansion anytime! LOL!

    • @CaneRodPiper
      @CaneRodPiper 10 днів тому

      That Tangella is something special 😉😂😂

  • @dougowen9873
    @dougowen9873 11 днів тому

    Mike, I too studied this existential nonsense in college, rejected it outright, luckily I had a very astute and brilliant philosophy professor who came to the same conclusion you did, "if life is meaningless, there is no sense in trying to find meaning in a meaningless world so why even pursue it?" Lord save us from the Camus of this world, they are not worth our time of day, keep puffin.

  • @jefflowry4896
    @jefflowry4896 11 днів тому

    Hey Mike and all! Hope you all have a great rest of your Sunday@ Hope Mrs. Canerod is doing well Must be ni e to have her home. You and hristian did a great job explaining Existentialism. Fun to thi nk a out on a Sunday afternoon. Enjoy your Haunted Bookshop ! I had some yesterday for the time in a while. Good stuff! Reslly enjoying Crooner. I only bought a 2oz tin. They were out of it in bulk. Hope zi do not run out of it too soon😊. Happy puffing everyone !!!!

  • @yusufsayed1583
    @yusufsayed1583 11 днів тому

    Good Evening 😊 Beautiful Pipe 😍 Good Tobacco 😋 I like Haunted Bookshop 😉 Thanks For The Chat and Appreciate Your Time and Content 👍🏼 Have a wonderful day & Greetings From South Africa 🇿🇦

  • @ronnieewing
    @ronnieewing 11 днів тому

    Amen!

  • @glenndunnington8551
    @glenndunnington8551 11 днів тому

    Well I better get to work on my life’s crossword puzzle. Thanks for the talk I enjoyed it very much!

  • @rushfan3
    @rushfan3 11 днів тому

    Hey Jonathan, glad to hear that your blood pressure has gone down. We here in the Eastern US, like you folks, are having a rather warm day. It's already, at 1pm eastern, in the low 90sF with the heat index over 100F.stay cool. Enjoy your Sunday. Cheers

  • @bonapiper5827
    @bonapiper5827 11 днів тому

    Why are we thinking about it? Because we are alive and have no choice but trying to make the most of it. Existentialism is a philosophical and literary current which considers that the human being forms the essence of his life through his own actions, these not being predetermined by theological, philosophical or moral doctrines. In other words, it pushes us to be proactive in the search of happiness and fulfillment. My vision is that we should all try to be the best version of ourselves, which as we all know is not so easy. Ultimately, what differentiate us is immortality. You think that there’s eternity awaiting us and as far as I know, nobody can say for sure if will be so or not. Since I do not have that certitude, I had to find a purpose in life, and I think that is what drives every existentialist. “There is in this world, where everything wears out, where everything perishes, one thing which falls into ruin, which is destroyed, even more completely, leaving even fewer vestiges than beauty: it is sorrow. » Marcel Proust “Desire makes everything blossom; possession makes everything wither and fade.” Proust first and foremost was advocating to be grateful for our initial circumstances in life. He wanted us not to despair at how our life is but rather, feel appreciative for what we have, of the opportunity that we should all aspire to grasp.

    • @CaneRodPiper
      @CaneRodPiper 11 днів тому

      I get it Christian. Where I have trouble is the statement "I had to find a purpose in life..." Why? What would drive you to do that? The search for a purpose is, in and of itself, a purpose. So life can not ever be without meaning. We just need to understand the source of that purpose. And very quickly you get into an infinite loop driven by the initial teleological question because any purpose you identify will have a "why " attached to it. for the believer there is an easy answer. For the non-believer, there is always another "why". I can not conceive of a reality without purpose instilled in it from its creation. You may be right, or I may be right, but I think it is impossible for either of us to truly see the other's perspective because this is such a deep seated part of who we are. But there is something beautiful in that. And it will give us much to talk about while we fish ;-)